Я достаточно много общался с Шаду на тему "почему ПЛ 2013 такое гавно по сравнению с ПЛ 2009".
Главный аргумент Bluedoo: "не мы такие, игра такая". Ну тоесть ЦЦП своим плохим геймдизайном заставили ПЛ занапиться с хбц, занипиться с гунами, влезть в суперкапитальный circlejerk с НЦдотам и все прочее. Он называет это "адаптироваться".
Я с этим тотально не согласен, но я сейчас не хочу подробно обьяснять почему - мне банально облом.
Могу лишь сказать, что мемберы ДД в данный момент имеют неплохие флит бои, а ПЛ пролетают по 3-4 региона чтобы убить 2 рокха, или там откачать пос какимнить хбц петизенам.
Клайм, спейс, луны - неплохой источник пассивного дохода для пвп альянсов, но иски в этой игре вторичны, первична мотивация мутить движняк. Будет мотивация - иски спокойно делаются в нужном количестве в вх или нпц спейсе, не говоря уже об империи.
Также нужно понимать, что Ева это игра про войну и постоянное движение и долго пребывать в состоянии стагнации и болота она не сможет (сейчас два единственных огонька сопротивления глобальному блобу это Стейнвагон и Солар Флит), рано или поздно бомбанет. Перманентно сидеть блоком в 40к чаров кемпить один нпц регион не получится. Ну, конечно, если цель у людей пвп и фан, а не слив огромного потока исков на ebay
[18:19:25] zumzat: but Maka and Herc are out
[18:19:29] Shadoo: why follow -A-'s tactics?
[18:19:31] zumzat: they fucked up A and we moved out
[18:19:41] zumzat: well mate we get goodfights
[18:19:58] zumzat: we fight against x2-x3 blobs and get minimum 50% eff
[18:20:08] zumzat: I guess u remember your own words about 50% eff?
[18:20:17] Shadoo: yeah, but you know TEST would take 30% efficiency and be massivcely happy about it?
[18:20:27] Shadoo: to them this is epic warfare
[18:21:06] Shadoo: and an excellent reason to stay local in south
[20:39:04] zumzat: test can stay south however long they want
[20:39:19 | Removed 20:39:32] zumzat: This message has been removed. (NOTE: it was a comment about The Mittani wanting to gather 100 new supercarriers by the summer for a big invasion)
[20:39:33] Shadoo: that won't happen
[20:39:36] zumzat: fuck
[20:39:40 | Edited 20:39:46] zumzat: accidentally deleted
[20:40:03] zumzat: there will be war between cfc and hbc with summer deadline
[20:40:07] zumzat: prolly fall
[20:40:12] zumzat: but Im 100% sure
[20:40:16] Shadoo: you dream big dreams
[20:40:28] zumzat: then it's not me who does that
[20:40:31] Shadoo: basically shows you are still stuck in -A- mentyality
[20:40:31] zumzat: but mittens )
[20:40:49] Shadoo: I don't understand why you won't let go and move with EVE
[20:40:50] zumzat: ok mister KOS MINISTER OF DEFENCE mentality
[20:41:00] Shadoo: the game has changed
[20:41:18] Shadoo: this is like a discussion I had with herculetz 1 year ago
[20:41:25] Shadoo: like 100% the same
[20:42:00] zumzat: Well you got your own excuse for naping half of eve
we as against are not feeding ourselves with similar bullshit
[20:42:38] Shadoo: ok herculetz
[20:43:00] Shadoo: thanks for showing me -DD- is now the same as old -A-
[20:43:08] Shadoo: makes motivation easy
[20:43:29 | Edited 20:43:40] zumzat: i see nothing wrong with being like OLD -A-
[20:43:33] Shadoo: I'm sure if you wait long enough, you'll get your botting grounds back at some point
[20:44:03 | Edited 20:44:12] zumzat: go fly around HBC regions if u want to see what botting is
[20:44:39] Shadoo: I see it enough in stain
[20:45:11] Shadoo: to not be suprised, just stating you'll get your botting grounds I'm sure back EVENTUALLY when you wait, like -A- did, for others to do your fighting for you
[20:45:23] Shadoo: then no doubt claim how YOU slaid the dragon
[20:45:32] Shadoo: of good old -A-
[20:45:51] zumzat: u won 0 fights in 49 against good old A mate
[20:45:59] zumzat: u lost Thug every fucking single fight in 49
[20:46:04] zumzat: blamed some mythic RUS TZ
[20:46:06] zumzat: ...
[20:46:10] zumzat: I remember it all pretty well
[20:46:22] Shadoo: and yet you lost
[20:46:33] Shadoo: and ET PMed me to congratulate for war well won
[20:46:41] zumzat: yet YOU lost
[20:46:47] zumzat: both delve q and fountain
[20:46:51] Shadoo: hahhahaha
[20:46:54] Shadoo: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA
[20:47:01] Shadoo: oh MAN
[20:47:11] Shadoo: HI HERCULETZ!
[20:47:12] zumzat: then ran from Fountain llike crying little girls
[20:47:19] Shadoo: how you been?
[20:47:39] zumzat: whining that Molle blobed you, though you had shitton of allies like SOT cry havoc goons etcetc
[20:47:57] Shadoo: oh man, you are great
[20:48:02] zumzat: then Herc is not so wrong as I thought
[20:48:04] Shadoo: a man who has never fought or won a single war
[20:48:09] zumzat: maybe there's something wrong with u
[20:48:11] Shadoo: trying to take credit for what others have done
[20:48:19] Shadoo: this is the -DD- I expected to see
[20:49:01] Shadoo: it's refreshing to see sad people who can't fight wars to try to be relevant by claiming others victories
[20:49:10] Shadoo: but I am happy you are one of them
[20:51:38] Shadoo: when we've died for old age, will you claim also you killed us in RL?
[20:51:49] Shadoo: since why stop here for stretching it
[20:52:13] zumzat: i did not claim Molle's victory over you
[20:52:21] zumzat: I just said that he went on fighting
[20:52:31] zumzat: and won that war in the end
[20:52:34] zumzat: even without ET
[20:52:37] Shadoo: by that logic
[20:52:42] Shadoo: they didn't win
[20:52:46] Shadoo: since they're no longer in delve
[20:53:03] zumzat: Molle quit the game being on top v0v
[20:53:03] Shadoo: but logic seems to be something you twist to your own propaganda
[20:53:10] Shadoo: molle plays the game
[20:53:18] Shadoo: and he last time quit after losing fountain war
[20:53:27] zumzat: oh look who's talking about twisted logic and propoganda
[20:53:31] Shadoo: your facts seem to be quite... weird
[20:53:44] Shadoo: well fact is: last time molle was in charge
[20:53:51] Shadoo: we sat on a channel together, and they hired PL
[20:53:56] Shadoo: then they lost the war
[20:54:00] Shadoo: and disbanded
[20:54:22] Shadoo: so I'm having a hard time trying to follow your logic
[20:54:26] Shadoo: for claiming victories
[20:54:45] Shadoo: but I'm sure by now, you've become an expert at claiming victories for wars you've lost
[20:54:57] Shadoo: and by looks of it, will continue to do the same for long time in -DD_
[20:56:53] zumzat: oh so now it's NO U game
[20:57:05] zumzat: and doesnt look like u mind being very nonconsecutive
[20:57:17] zumzat: I would even say fail to smell your own shit on your knees
[20:57:25] Shadoo: it's not me who's claiming victories by measuring last 8y
[20:58:03] Shadoo: I'm just trying to fill you in on some facts you've obviously missed having probably not followed EVE at all
[20:58:35] zumzat: u were trying to bitch at good old A, i pointed out that u had close to zero achievements against that alliance v0v and that yes DD is mostly done in the spirit of old A
[20:58:36] Shadoo: I mean it's convinient for someone like you to claim victories for wars that were fought
[20:58:47] Shadoo: then count 1y after said war was long over
[20:58:51] zumzat: I did not remember myself claiming anyone's victories
[20:58:56] Shadoo: and claim you actually REALLY WON it anyway
[20:59:03] zumzat: talking about twisted logic =\
[20:59:08] Shadoo: you just claimed victory for fountain, delve, querious
[20:59:13] Shadoo: probably DRF, WN
[20:59:22] Shadoo: no doubt three times for RA
[20:59:44] Shadoo: what is it you're claiming victory for -- go on, clarify yourself
[21:00:54] zumzat: i did not claim any victories for myself
[21:01:23] zumzat: I just said that your performance was pretty low against good old -A- u're trying to bitch about
[21:01:39] Shadoo: you spoke about victories
[21:01:53] Shadoo: one kinda speaks about THEIR OWN victories
[21:01:59] zumzat: no u started speaking about victories
[21:02:04] Shadoo: but if you've now resorted to speaking about work of others
[21:02:13] zumzat: I just mentioned that you lost every single 49 engagement to Thug
[21:02:14] Shadoo: MAN DID USA USA USA win in ww2
[21:02:32] zumzat: then u went BUT WE WON THE WAR
[21:02:35] Shadoo: how is it possible to lose every single 49 engagement
[21:02:39] Shadoo: when you ran to LGK
[21:02:43] Shadoo: and lose 49
[21:02:45] Shadoo: idk
[21:02:47] Shadoo: mindboggles
[21:04:09] zumzat: run?
[21:04:11] zumzat: ok
[21:04:40] Shadoo: [20:47] zumzat:
<<< then ran from Fountain llike crying little girls
[21:04:46] Shadoo: using your logic here
[21:04:53] Shadoo: -A- ran from querious
[21:04:59] Shadoo: -A- ran from Querious again
[21:05:04] zumzat: if you think A was crushed by your huge fleet performance and ran in panic back to lgk, i wont even argue with that
[21:05:06] Shadoo: -A- ran from Catch, 3 times
[8:20:10 AM] Shadoo: [21:05:13] Shadoo: your logic
[21:05:35] zumzat: ET got tired from the game and left, Molle regrouped all GBC into one alliance and finished the job. I dont see any twisted logic here =\
[21:05:41] Shadoo: [20:47] zumzat:
<<< then ran from Fountain llike crying little girls
[21:05:45] Shadoo: no twisted logic there
[21:05:49] Shadoo: you ran
[21:05:52] Shadoo: like little girls
[21:06:16] Shadoo: and boy you've ran like little girls a lot
[21:06:28] Shadoo: are you in the cheerleading club yet?