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Clone Grade Iota
Миттани передал, что это единственный стоящий топик на ваших форумах на данный моментЛюблю форумную аналитику.
Кстати а кто такой Aryth?
Там поприкольней кстати топик есть с картинками.
Englishпрактически единственный хороший/полезный топик на форумах в данный момент, пожалуйста обсуждайте
The whole point of being in BoB was to turn things on it's head and add more player driven content into the game than everyone else in 0.0 put together by roleplaying the "we're better than you and we're going to rub your noses in it" card. The "we control your game" business stems from the fact that we were all about 'doing' things when the rest of eve was about 'reacting' to things.
Clone Grade Lambda
там стратегические запасы рифтеров.если это все то как то не особо сильно впечатляет, да много но не особо критично для такого крупного альянса как гуны
А твой валлет показывает лишь то что у тебя руки непригодные к юзанью дрейка.
Иначе получается изюмительный бред: раве, у которой прискорбно низкая скорость - АБ не нужен, и вообще скорость не важна, ни для танковки, ни для времени прохождения мисок вообще. А вот фригу, у которого и своя-то скорость больше, чем у равы с АБ - подавай еще!
Clone Grade Iota
Там правда есть еще стронция и нитро топов только лярдов на 30 (пятая часть нынешнего алли валлета гунсварма), к тому же это корп ангар гунфлита (а в гунсварме есть и много других совсем не маленьких "пабби" корп), к тому же это только 1 станция из 10, которые гуны потеряли.там стратегические запасы рифтеров.
Сори неудержался
The whole point of being in BoB was to turn things on it's head and add more player driven content into the game than everyone else in 0.0 put together by roleplaying the "we're better than you and we're going to rub your noses in it" card. The "we control your game" business stems from the fact that we were all about 'doing' things when the rest of eve was about 'reacting' to things.
Clone Grade Lambda
Сообщение отредактировал skotenok: 29 January 2010 - 7:16
Clone Grade Iota
Всё читать - это мазохизмДжейк Нобль выложил весь этот идиотский топик на форуме ААА, я читать не буду, просто сообщите потом, что решили.
Dotlan says:
Cloud Ring seems to be ~90% under control of German superfaggots ev0ke, which should be red to both us and the NC.
Pure Blind is apperently a clusterfuck of MM, TCF, Mostly Harmless and smears of various other stuff.
Fade is about 90% Mostly Harmless.
The main question would be whether to bluntly attack ev0ke from Syndicate and deal with the intricate diplomatics of the NC later, or to get PB cleared by diplomats first to fight ev0ke with our own fresh home in the pocket.
Basically, PB is currently the focus of a huge war between the NC and Triumvirate + a bunch of other gays. There's daily sieging and constant node-crashing battles. Because it's currently the prize being fought over, the chances of us showing up and saying 'hey guys, give it to us' and getting a positive response approach zilch. If it was some bullshit region that no one cared about, that'd be one thing.
Speaking of BS regions, Cloud Ring could work, sort of, but IMO only as part of a package deal. The problem is that CR is still bordering IT so we'd basically still be fighting the same boring people as we currently do, plus without Pure Blind, CR is clearly the short end of the stick.
So given a choice between 'invade Cloud Ring and have no real room to expand' or 'invade Geminate and have room to expand into the drone regions as we gnaw on Solar Fleet territory', I'd probably pick the latter rather than the former, at this early, uninformed stage. That's just my opinion, tossing it out there.
We also need to try to come up with an alliance-level income method that's not dependent on moon goo, if at all possible, be it renting or supercapital production and sales or w/e. That's something else on the list for any brilliant sorts to mull over.
Venal is rented out to the NC system and all the tech moons there are taken, or in contest by TRI types. Pure Blind is the focus of a massive war between NC and TRI, etc. So both of those regions are politically off the table, assuming we don't want to reset the most steadfast allies we've had. It's kind of ironic but we made a + deal with the NC back in the RSF days and it's stuck, even though the RSF has mostly disintegrated and/or been absorbed into the NC itself.
also there's some saying 'invade something immediately, don't pause in NPC or empire wardec land'. There's a list of Shit Which Is Broken at the infra/alliance level. We have no CFO, we need a new CEO, we need to fix a bunch of things that are still broken from the forum migration (which GFDev, who are awesome, almost have finished up), we need to catch up on capital reimbursements, we need to finish evacing assets from Delve, etc etc.
It's all well and good to say 'attack immediately' but until those infra things are fixed you'll just end up with another clusterfuck where Important Things Break (like sov bills) and cap pilots don't get hulls and fleets don't get reimb'd.
rabble rabble about venal and pure blind and how we could just 'make' the nc do stuff all you want but that's not how the diplo works out esp considering we're evaccing and in a position of weakness
i think we need to consider this in terms of cost/benefit analysis, our future regions almost like a business proposition
politically, these are currently on the table:
geminate + vale (they come as a set imo)
cloud ring alone
off the table:
venal, pure blind, fade (nc politics)
our npc staging options: syndicate, stain, curse
i think cloud ring alone might be amusing for renting out to someone else but holding it as our primary/only home is dangerous since it's just 3 stations next to each other and easily camped
we're not planning on going for regions alone, if we hit geminate we'd have nc support, ditto cr
The whole point of being in BoB was to turn things on it's head and add more player driven content into the game than everyone else in 0.0 put together by roleplaying the "we're better than you and we're going to rub your noses in it" card. The "we control your game" business stems from the fact that we were all about 'doing' things when the rest of eve was about 'reacting' to things.
Clone Grade Theta
venal isn't an option unless you want to reset our oldest allies in the nc and leave us with, uh... let's see, PL is gone, legion of xdeath lost all their sov...
there is a fairly strong argument for curse, there's nothing preventing us from moving there, it's superior to syndicate in terms of isk and superior to stain in terms of logistics
it's also near the geminate/vale nexus, comparatively and would give people a chance to jew like crazy while we sort the upper-level infra problems out
it's also in the south where we are isolated with no allies
i didn't say it was the strongest argument, however it has a lot of pros and fewer cons than most
strong arguments, imo, exist for geminate/vale and curse
middling/weak for cloud ring
... ??? everything else so far is untenable or crap imo
i don't see why you need to reset the NC while basing in venal till we work with them to get some space for ourselves
because venal is currently rented out to nc pets, meaning that the nc can't simply let us run wild through venal as we'll basically take up the whole region and all those lil renterpets will scream and howl and fuck off and that's a lot of the nc's income gone, plus venal has no moons we could take as we'd be borrowing space
hell syndicate is kind of crappy but at least there's r64s there we could seize without causing a diplomatic incident
if venal is off the table, curse is a bad idea, pure blind is off the table, that basically leaves vale/geminate as a profitable option
For the numbers, lets say we secured Syndicate, then Outer Ring, then CR.
For those three small things alone we would have (Keep in mind, a shitload of systems aren't in dotlan for syndicate, which we would need to probe out. Same with Outer ring. All the R64's are likely accounted for, but there might be some tech hiding maybe.
Syndicate 4 prom/7 dys/2 neo
Outer Ring 7 prom/2 dys/1 neo
Cloud Ring 7 Tech/7 prom/5 neo
So with just those regions moons, which we could easily take given our current strength and issues, we end up with
7 Tech
18 prom
9 Dys
8 Neo
About 50 billion a month right there. If we then went on to sack lowsec around those areas....
Placid 5 Tech/5 Neo
Solitude 1 prom/2 dys/2 neo
BLACK RISE 17tech/1 dys
Or at least another 50 billion isk.
So we basically match all the isk we were printing in Delve almost with only holding 3 stations
christ the more i look at this
say you lost cloud ring's stations, who cares, all your income comes from the goo. your only 'conq' is cloud ring and it's totally irrelevant. there's no sov costs whatsoever basically
we'd have a massive reimbursement program and it'd be niart-proof
we have already investigated cloud ring and essentially been offered it on a platter, at first i thought it would not be enough but aryth's plan is really neat as it shows a big income, small expenses, and 'tight' regional base, mostly immune to hostile activity.
your only conquerable footprint to begin with is CR, 3 stations, which are mostly irrelevant to the income stream and member assets.
the 'six region' aryth plan is nice and all but even the initial syndicate/or/cr version of it gives a huge income and very little liability
So, evac to Syndicate as planned, regroup in S-U, and send the fleet to take moons?
basically here's how i see it. we have two 'obvious' options now given political reality.
1. Vale/Geminate conq assault after maybe 3 weeks of rest in Syndicate. Meat grinder between NC + US vs TRI/Russians. Timezone war against Solar Fleet and RA et al. Isk will be tight and capfleets will be lost and we'll be paying lots of sov bills.
2. "The Aryth Plan": Syndicate, seize moons, expand into OR and take Cloud Ring with NC support.
The big advantages of the Aryth Plan imo:
*It allows us to expand at a reasonable pace based on our income level, rather than in conq where nowadays if your enemies collapse, you have to take a bunch of space quick that you might not be able to afford (lol Delve)
*Income/expense ratio. Geminate/Vale means sov costs. Not much income gets back to the membership. With Syndicate/OR/CR you have three stations to pay for, total. All the isk we make gets funneled into stupidly big reimbursements, cap reimbs, and supercap production/purchases/whatever. So the average member goon benefits much more, rather than having isk sucked away into CCP's isk sink.
*Expandability. Vale/Geminate expands into more conq bullshit. OR/CR/Synd expands into taking 3 more regions of moons with no sov costs. Note that Black Rise is mostly entirely a bunch of -A- alt corps holding moons, so fuck them, let's eat them.
*Defensibility. With CR as our only conq space, we're well under the protection of the NC's cap fleet, and it's doubtful people will base many ships in those stations anyway, on the off chance that we lose them. Most of our empire is entirely off the grid.
I'd like us to get so stupidly rich as an alliance that we roll around our space in fully reimbursible hac gangs just for the fuck of it. there, i said it. booya.
Сообщение отредактировал Ellatan: 29 January 2010 - 8:23
In Cthulhu we trust
Дайте Тайлеру доступ на форумЛюблю форумную аналитику.
Там поприкольней кстати топик есть с картинками.
Clone Grade Kappa
Как мнение абстрактного мембера может повлиять на решение руководства?Дайте Тайлеру доступ на форум
он вам быстро объяснит что луны теперь никому не нужны. Равно как станции и регионы
>=3
Clone Grade Zeta
Миттани передал, что это единственный стоящий топик на ваших форумах на данный момент
Karma, I heard, is a bitch
Сообщение отредактировал Unblighter: 29 January 2010 - 11:21
Clone Grade Epsilon
Clone Grade Eta
Будда
Если они реально будут получать 50 лярдов с лун - то на покарибасить простым мемберам пока хватит и хабов в нескольких системах..
Со всеми свооими багами и дрочем сувернитета доминион реально позволил повысить плотность населения.
А не там ли жили ТыЧо? какое-то время назад) Помойму у региона карма не лучше скалдинга\гемината\пб)
С тех пор там очень многие побывали. Но регион действительно с определенной кармой - этакий заповедник, который особо никому не нужен.
Clone Grade Kappa
. Спасибо за чтиво!
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Вот блин, судя по всему в еве будет как в штатах времён гражданской войны - север против юга
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