1316 ответов в теме

[S0me0ne]

Уже патч 1.16, а я без FullHD на радеоне ))
Похоже, почетное звание (в рейтинге) багопродавателей переходит от Богемии к Эгософту

[Battlenelf]

Не думаю, что насчёт багопродаж в этом году кто-то обгонит ЕА... От эгософта хоть ожидалось, до этого было то же самое.

Сообщение отредактировал Battlenelf: 22 November 2013 - 22:29

[rnd71]

Уже патч 1.16, а я без FullHD на радеоне ))
Похоже, почетное звание (в рейтинге) багопродавателей переходит от Богемии к Эгософту

Если у тебя есть измененные файлы, прошу выслать их мне каким либо образом.

Сам ставить не могу, так как у меня петиция по отмене покупки.

[Forsaken]

Уже патч 1.16, а я без FullHD на радеоне ))
Похоже, почетное звание (в рейтинге) багопродавателей переходит от Богемии к Эгософту

Да сейчас уже стало модным трендом в геймдеве не только нарезание игры на DLC перед релизом, но и всякие там Early Access - типа, заплати сейчас и играй в альфу. Только если всякие инди конторы честно предупреждают о том, что игра в еще в альфе, то всякие Bohemia Interactive / Egosoft / Creative Assembly продают альфу / бету под видом законченного продукта.

 

Геймдев вообще скатывается в унылую штамповку и в том виде, в котором он существует сейчас, он заслуживает скорейшей смерти.

[DIMFIRE]

Эгософт можно оправдать хотя бы тем, что пусть игра и вышла кране недоделаной-но они ее обязательно доведут до ума и при этом-доведут за цену первичной покупки. Ни повышения цен в дальнейшем ни недохрени за отдельную плату не будет. Более того-приблизительно через 2 года после выхода игры очередной официальный патч сносит любое ранее присутствовавшее DRM.

[Crulod]

через 2 года

я не могу джва года ждать эту игру!

[.up]

http://forum.egosoft...ic.php?t=351562 :troll:

Спойлер

 

Graphics: AWESOME
Combat: AWESOME
Trading: AWESOME
Interface: AWESOME
Performance: AWESOME
Weapon variety: AWESOME
Mission objectives working: AWESOME
Station interiors: AWESOME
Capital ship bridge functionality: AWESOME
NPC variety: AWESOME
Encyclopedia: AWESOME
Squad commands: AWESOME
Station commands: AWESOME
Crew skill system: AWESOME
Being able to ask some trade manager what their skills are too: AWESOME
Targeting system: AWESOME
Ship upgrade variety: AWESOME
Drone utility: AWESOME
Inventory system: AWESOME
Highway system: AWESOME
Jumpdrive system: AWESOME
Yashi's dialogue: AWESOME
Map system: AWESOME
Reputation / law enforcement system: AWESOME
Direction-asking system: AWESOME
Autosave system: AWESOME
Autopilot system: AWESOME
Time acceleration system: AWESOME
Control flexibility: AWESOME
Number of ship types you can build: AWESOME
Station-item selling system: AWESOME
Crawling in vents: AWESOME
Opening that one door: AWESOME
Activating that one aerial lift: AWESOME
Fountains: AWESOME
Banners: AWESOME
Club music: AWESOME
Being able to climb up those boxes in the back of the cap ship bridge to get a better view out the back window: AWESOME
Freighter URV system: AWESOME
Ship repairs: AWESOME
Clarity of which ships carry what: AWESOME
Mining system: AWESOME
Clarity of which stations can be built, where, and how: AWESOME
Travel time needed to complete mission objectives: AWESOME
Trade queue system: AWESOME
Boarding operations: AWESOME

This has been another positive review for y'all. I hope you appreciate the detail I went into regarding why these things are so fantastic. Can't thank Egosoft enough for all this awesomeness, it's really too good and great to list it all.

 

[splash85]

http://forum.egosoft...ic.php?t=351562 :troll:

Спойлер

 

 

Тролль 80-го левела? :troll:

 

 

Да сейчас уже стало модным трендом в геймдеве не только нарезание игры на DLC перед релизом, но и всякие там Early Access - типа, заплати сейчас и играй в альфу. Только если всякие инди конторы честно предупреждают о том, что игра в еще в альфе, то всякие Bohemia Interactive / Egosoft / Creative Assembly продают альфу / бету под видом законченного продукта.

 

Геймдев вообще скатывается в унылую штамповку и в том виде, в котором он существует сейчас, он заслуживает скорейшей смерти.

/Нежно поглаживает коробочку с фаргусовским Фоллаутом./

[НАЕМНИК]

Да сейчас уже стало модным трендом в геймдеве не только нарезание игры на DLC перед релизом, но и всякие там Early Access - типа, заплати сейчас и играй в альфу. Только если всякие инди конторы честно предупреждают о том, что игра в еще в альфе, то всякие Bohemia Interactive / Egosoft / Creative Assembly продают альфу / бету под видом законченного продукта.

 

Геймдев вообще скатывается в унылую штамповку и в том виде, в котором он существует сейчас, он заслуживает скорейшей смерти.

Забыли про Близзард и Дильдо 3, Геймдев ПК скатывается в унылую штамповку.

[Himmi]

Забыли про Близзард и Дильдо 3, Геймдев ПК скатывается в унылую штамповку.

Плохой пример. В целом игра то была сделана качественно. Не так много критических багов. И ее можно было пройти. Сразу. В день релиза. То, что в целом игра не торт, не относится к качеству изготовления.

[S0me0ne]

Если у тебя есть измененные файлы, прошу выслать их мне каким либо образом.

Что именно имеется ввиду? У меня игра без модов, в том виде, в котором ее вытянул стим. Дрова стоят последние стабильные 13.9. Гугль выдает обсуждения этой проблемы, но, похоже, решения еще нет. Т.ч., остается только ждать

Сообщение отредактировал S0me0ne: 23 November 2013 - 12:46

[Grauray]

усе.. с шаманством и бубном я таки додавил сюжетку, теперь можно игру забыть на некоторе время пока ее приводят в более игровой вид.

в общем, мелковато будет для иксов, раньше вселенная больше казалась, т.е. вроде и станции теперь конкретные, хотя в омикроне на околоземной орбите противоречит это всем законам логики, и космос вроде "бесшовный" и разлет по секторам в сотни километров. Однако очень все поверхностно. Как будето там всего пару геймдизайнеров было, каждому дали инструменты и сказали в течении месяца сбацать картинку

сделать то сделали, но .. маловато будет за такие деньги. Тот же fallout гораздо глубже (хотя бы видимость сделана) а скайрим тот вообще гигантский мир - вот там не жалко было платить. А тут за 1,5 раскопированых скрипта. ЭГОсофту допиливать не то что напильником.. им вообще безнопилу с топором нужно сначало в руки взять  и обтесать скульптурку а потом мододелы самы допилят без их соплей.

жаль.. надежды были хоть какие то.

[rnd71]

Что именно имеется ввиду? У меня игра без модов, в том виде, в котором ее вытянул стим. Дрова стоят последние стабильные 13.9. Гугль выдает обсуждения этой проблемы, но, похоже, решения еще нет. Т.ч., остается только ждать

Вообще то я имел ввиду файлы, обновленные стимом до 1.16 версии.

Я выкладываю разницу между версиями, что бы людям не надо было качать все полностью каждый раз.

[S0me0ne]

Вообще то я имел ввиду файлы, обновленные стимом до 1.16 версии.

Я выкладываю разницу между версиями, что бы людям не надо было качать все полностью каждый раз.

Хм... Если смотреть просто на дату создания файлов, то вчера изменились сам ехе-шник, а так же 07.cat, 07.dat. Всего на 32.4Мб
а еще тут раздачу нашел http://thepiratebay....pdate.v1.16-BAT

[Flycksie]

Да на английском текст может уже тут постили это, но я всё-таки оставлю это здесь.

Спойлер

After so many threads, so many hours played in frustration and so many unanswered questions, I think the puzzle is slowly getting pieced together. I've done some research, and what I found was pretty sad, but it explains the vast majority of problems and questions. Namely, Rebirth was never meant to be a PC game. There is a reason why Rebirth plays and feels like a failed console port, because it is! I know this is old news for some, but many people still don't know this, so bear with me here.

(These are just my theories, not facts, so take them as such!)

We all know, that Rebirth was in development for 7 years, that means it started around 2005-2006. What else happened around that time? That's right, the release of X3:Reunion, the next major installment of the X franchise. Was it a commercial success? Not really, as around 2005 was the time space simulators as a genre went down the drain for good. What else happened in 2005? Oh yes, the start of the new console generation with the release of the Xbox 360 followed by PS3 a year later in 2006. After Reunion's pretty rocky launch plagued by heaps of bugs, problems and lackluster reviews, I think the Ego guys had to sit down and think about the future. Face it, the space sim genre was dead, and with the advent of the new console generation, PC gaming was in decline too. The prospects for the studio were dire at best.

Now, I don't know if it was the idea of the publisher, Deep Silver, or Egosoft itself, but quite understandably, they wanted a piece of that nice console pie, thus the development of TNBT ("The Next Big Thing", as it was called before it received the Rebirth name) started. Maybe Egosoft was forced into this by the publisher, I don't know. Either way, Egosoft was a PC-only dev team specialized in space sims, they knew nothing about console development or what a console game must be like. Obviously a game like Reunion was impossible to port over to consoles, so they had to come up with something else. Space games being the only thing they were good at, they started developing a space game for the Xbox. Obviously, the the controls had to be drastically cut back to fit on the controller, so that greatly limited what the new game could do in terms of gameplay. And of course they had to re-think everything else too, since their target auidence has dramatically changed. Console gamers wanted a totally different type of game than what PC sim players had. More arcadey, easy to pick up and play with flashy graphics, more colors, pretty explosion, more "smoke and mirrors" and minigames that keep you in front of the screen. Development on TNBT was taking shape. While they couldn't reveal this new project to the community, they had to keep funding up, so a portion of the dev team was allocated to shovel out some new X content for some cash infusion and thus TC was released. While heavily relying on the modders and the community to supply new content for the game (because they had most of the manpower allocated on TNBT), they puttered along on both fronts.

Now, what exactly took place next is quite unclear, but for some reason, the new console game's production hit a brick wall somewhere around 2010. Either it wasn't accepted by Microsoft for release, maybe the game failed to meet expectation or something else happened that prevented the game to be released on the console. This was a major blow for Egosoft and Deep Silver, since now they owned a more-or-less finished console game that was now worthless. I think after this Deep Silver still pushed for a release, since they didn't want 5 years of development funding to go to waste, so Egosoft started reworking the project and porting TNBT over to PC. In the spring of 2011 Deep Silver announced X-Rebirth for the PC and gave a release date for the fall of 2011. That was obviously far too optimistic, since even the worst console ports need way more than half a year to be finished. At this point I think Egosoft thought Rebirth was simply too console-y and fell way too far from the X series, so they started reworking the game mechanics to at least resemble an honest to god PC game. But missing so much with the canceled release, they needed another quick cash infusion, so they cobbled together Albion Prelude and tossed it out to get some more funds to finish the project, milking the X3 series for it's very last drops of sour milk. But as years passed and the hype started to vane, the devs turtled up in their shell with absolutely no news leaking out, the community slowly started to lose all faith, leaving the vaporware they were promised in 2011 for other games. Egosoft started to run out of options....and funding. Obviously there was no milking the X3 games anymore, so they had no choice but to hastily hammer together a release candidate from the wrecks of the half-console/half-PC development and send it out into the wild, hoping for the best. They knew full well the game was not finished, it was a Frankenstein monster straight from development hell. It wasn't an X game, but they still needed the X title because of the selling power. It was now or never, either they release something or the studio goes bust. Maybe Deep Silver pressured them to release, I dunno.

Either way, this is the end result we got two days ago, we can all see. The reason Rebirth smells like a failed console port and not an X game, because it wasn't meant to be one. It was meant to be a different title with different gameplay on a different system entirely. A tale of desperation and bad decisions. Now, I don't claim to know the real story, but this is the best I could come up with after my research.

Feel free to share your thoughts.



UPDATE:

It has been since come to my attention, that there are more pieces of evidence supporting the "failed console game" theory. Thanks to those who posted them!

If you look at this picture, you can see there are "_xbox" markers in the shader files, which only occur in games developed for the Xbox. There are also strange storage path links in the game's resource files that point to directories named "X4".

The rest, I don't think I have to spell out for for you, but here it goes:

- The fact the whole game was written around the Xbox controller. The whole UI and controls were designed around it. Keyboard+mouse works (kind of), but joystick support is abysmal, not to mention the other controllers like HOTAS, but what works seamlessly with the game is the Xbox controller alone.

- The control options are drastically cut back and there are unbindable and missing hotkeys. Kind of like all bad console ports we've seen. (no targeting controls? In a game with space dogfights? REALLY?!)

- Rebirth's engine uses DirectX 9.0c, not DX10 or 11, but 9, the same version used by the Xbox 360.

- Texture quality and graphical fidelity is horrible across the board. It's only made to look better by piling on tons of shaders and effects, which ultimately caused the appalling framerates on even the strongest rigs.

- Text on the screen is tiny and unreadable at high resolutions. But it's perfetly readable at 720p and lower (TV resolution).

- The FOV is locked to around 60 (perfect for TV).

- Heavily compressed file sizes (fit neatly on one DVD), mostly seen in Xbox360 releases. Not required (and actually counter productive) for PC releases.

- "Xbox" tags are all over in the game's files. In a PC-only game...

- The UI is terrible and a nightmare to navigate with anything other than the Xbox controller. There is also no gravidar (again, in a space game with dogfights), the map system is a joke and there are no control option for anything else.

- Now, it can be argued this is mere conjuncture, but the popular gimmicks (FPS mode), the flashy spectacle instead of functional graphics, horrible UI, the minigames and the woefully restricted gameplay is a staple of console games and console ports and have absolutely no place in PC-only simulator games. They look really out of place, not to mention no X title (or other PC space simulation) ever had any of these.

The cat seems to be out of the bag. It's getting increasingly impossible for the devs to explain away all of these.

Feel free to share more and I put them up here.

 

http://i.imgur.com/8H5fsDy.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/WNezhAw.png

 

В кратце в спойлере(взятого с форума egosoft.com) приводятся факты, что гавно которое нам подсунули (Rebirth) изначально планировалось для выпуска на консолях, отсюда всё то, ужасающее, что было продело с игрой по сравнению с серией Х3TC-X3AP и было убрано в нормальном виде всё, то что мы так любили, торговля, пилотирование разных кораблей, строительство комплексов и т.д.

Думаю, что серия похоронена и Х3 это последнее что-то стоящее от Egosoft.

Сообщение отредактировал Flycksie: 23 November 2013 - 18:20

[Plusha]

Да на английском текст может уже тут постили это, но я всё-таки оставлю это здесь.

Спойлер

After so many threads, so many hours played in frustration and so many unanswered questions, I think the puzzle is slowly getting pieced together. I've done some research, and what I found was pretty sad, but it explains the vast majority of problems and questions. Namely, Rebirth was never meant to be a PC game. There is a reason why Rebirth plays and feels like a failed console port, because it is! I know this is old news for some, but many people still don't know this, so bear with me here.

(These are just my theories, not facts, so take them as such!)

We all know, that Rebirth was in development for 7 years, that means it started around 2005-2006. What else happened around that time? That's right, the release of X3:Reunion, the next major installment of the X franchise. Was it a commercial success? Not really, as around 2005 was the time space simulators as a genre went down the drain for good. What else happened in 2005? Oh yes, the start of the new console generation with the release of the Xbox 360 followed by PS3 a year later in 2006. After Reunion's pretty rocky launch plagued by heaps of bugs, problems and lackluster reviews, I think the Ego guys had to sit down and think about the future. Face it, the space sim genre was dead, and with the advent of the new console generation, PC gaming was in decline too. The prospects for the studio were dire at best.

Now, I don't know if it was the idea of the publisher, Deep Silver, or Egosoft itself, but quite understandably, they wanted a piece of that nice console pie, thus the development of TNBT ("The Next Big Thing", as it was called before it received the Rebirth name) started. Maybe Egosoft was forced into this by the publisher, I don't know. Either way, Egosoft was a PC-only dev team specialized in space sims, they knew nothing about console development or what a console game must be like. Obviously a game like Reunion was impossible to port over to consoles, so they had to come up with something else. Space games being the only thing they were good at, they started developing a space game for the Xbox. Obviously, the the controls had to be drastically cut back to fit on the controller, so that greatly limited what the new game could do in terms of gameplay. And of course they had to re-think everything else too, since their target auidence has dramatically changed. Console gamers wanted a totally different type of game than what PC sim players had. More arcadey, easy to pick up and play with flashy graphics, more colors, pretty explosion, more "smoke and mirrors" and minigames that keep you in front of the screen. Development on TNBT was taking shape. While they couldn't reveal this new project to the community, they had to keep funding up, so a portion of the dev team was allocated to shovel out some new X content for some cash infusion and thus TC was released. While heavily relying on the modders and the community to supply new content for the game (because they had most of the manpower allocated on TNBT), they puttered along on both fronts.

Now, what exactly took place next is quite unclear, but for some reason, the new console game's production hit a brick wall somewhere around 2010. Either it wasn't accepted by Microsoft for release, maybe the game failed to meet expectation or something else happened that prevented the game to be released on the console. This was a major blow for Egosoft and Deep Silver, since now they owned a more-or-less finished console game that was now worthless. I think after this Deep Silver still pushed for a release, since they didn't want 5 years of development funding to go to waste, so Egosoft started reworking the project and porting TNBT over to PC. In the spring of 2011 Deep Silver announced X-Rebirth for the PC and gave a release date for the fall of 2011. That was obviously far too optimistic, since even the worst console ports need way more than half a year to be finished. At this point I think Egosoft thought Rebirth was simply too console-y and fell way too far from the X series, so they started reworking the game mechanics to at least resemble an honest to god PC game. But missing so much with the canceled release, they needed another quick cash infusion, so they cobbled together Albion Prelude and tossed it out to get some more funds to finish the project, milking the X3 series for it's very last drops of sour milk. But as years passed and the hype started to vane, the devs turtled up in their shell with absolutely no news leaking out, the community slowly started to lose all faith, leaving the vaporware they were promised in 2011 for other games. Egosoft started to run out of options....and funding. Obviously there was no milking the X3 games anymore, so they had no choice but to hastily hammer together a release candidate from the wrecks of the half-console/half-PC development and send it out into the wild, hoping for the best. They knew full well the game was not finished, it was a Frankenstein monster straight from development hell. It wasn't an X game, but they still needed the X title because of the selling power. It was now or never, either they release something or the studio goes bust. Maybe Deep Silver pressured them to release, I dunno.

Either way, this is the end result we got two days ago, we can all see. The reason Rebirth smells like a failed console port and not an X game, because it wasn't meant to be one. It was meant to be a different title with different gameplay on a different system entirely. A tale of desperation and bad decisions. Now, I don't claim to know the real story, but this is the best I could come up with after my research.

Feel free to share your thoughts.



UPDATE:

It has been since come to my attention, that there are more pieces of evidence supporting the "failed console game" theory. Thanks to those who posted them!

If you look at this picture, you can see there are "_xbox" markers in the shader files, which only occur in games developed for the Xbox. There are also strange storage path links in the game's resource files that point to directories named "X4".

The rest, I don't think I have to spell out for for you, but here it goes:

- The fact the whole game was written around the Xbox controller. The whole UI and controls were designed around it. Keyboard+mouse works (kind of), but joystick support is abysmal, not to mention the other controllers like HOTAS, but what works seamlessly with the game is the Xbox controller alone.

- The control options are drastically cut back and there are unbindable and missing hotkeys. Kind of like all bad console ports we've seen. (no targeting controls? In a game with space dogfights? REALLY?!)

- Rebirth's engine uses DirectX 9.0c, not DX10 or 11, but 9, the same version used by the Xbox 360.

- Texture quality and graphical fidelity is horrible across the board. It's only made to look better by piling on tons of shaders and effects, which ultimately caused the appalling framerates on even the strongest rigs.

- Text on the screen is tiny and unreadable at high resolutions. But it's perfetly readable at 720p and lower (TV resolution).

- The FOV is locked to around 60 (perfect for TV).

- Heavily compressed file sizes (fit neatly on one DVD), mostly seen in Xbox360 releases. Not required (and actually counter productive) for PC releases.

- "Xbox" tags are all over in the game's files. In a PC-only game...

- The UI is terrible and a nightmare to navigate with anything other than the Xbox controller. There is also no gravidar (again, in a space game with dogfights), the map system is a joke and there are no control option for anything else.

- Now, it can be argued this is mere conjuncture, but the popular gimmicks (FPS mode), the flashy spectacle instead of functional graphics, horrible UI, the minigames and the woefully restricted gameplay is a staple of console games and console ports and have absolutely no place in PC-only simulator games. They look really out of place, not to mention no X title (or other PC space simulation) ever had any of these.

The cat seems to be out of the bag. It's getting increasingly impossible for the devs to explain away all of these.

Feel free to share more and I put them up here.

 

http://i.imgur.com/8H5fsDy.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/WNezhAw.png

 

В кратце в спойлере(взятого с форума egosoft.com) приводятся факты, что гавно которое нам подсунули (Rebirth) изначально планировалось для выпуска на консолях, отсюда всё то, ужасающее, что было продело с игрой по сравнению с серией Х3TC-X3AP и было убрано в нормальном виде всё, то что мы так любили, торговля, пилотирование разных кораблей, строительство комплексов и т.д.

Думаю, что серия похоронена и Х3 это последнее что-то стоящее от Egosoft.

Тему не читай, сразу покровы срывай.

[Flycksie]

Тему не читай, сразу покровы срывай.

 

текст может уже тут постили это, но я всё-таки оставлю это здесь.

[StarTrooper]

Дмитрий Пучков о сабже

 

 

http://youtu.be/ZJLWT2owoQg?t=7m6s

Сообщение отредактировал StarTrooper: 23 November 2013 - 18:52

[rnd71]

Хм... Если смотреть просто на дату создания файлов, то вчера изменились сам ехе-шник, а так же 07.cat, 07.dat. Всего на 32.4Мб
а еще тут раздачу нашел http://thepiratebay....pdate.v1.16-BAT

ftp://rnd71.ru/X%20Rebirth/

Как бе уже найдено и выложено.

Стараюсь находить и поддерживать актуальную версию, что бы ни у кого не возникло желание тратить деньги на "это".

[Aurum_Gallente]

интересно, а теоретически с точки зрения прав потребителя можно как-нибудь повлиять на порог вхождения по качеству игр в стим и прочие сервисы? Скоро будут продавать не игры, а комплект текстур и недоделаных скриптов под лозунгом "собери игру мечты сам". Естественно текстуры придется обрабатывать в фотошопе самому, а для нормальной работы скриптов сначала надо пройтись рубанком по интерпретатору. 

 

хотя о чем это я... это и так уже продается. Скайрим не успел выйти, как появились моды на нормальные морды и текстуры брони, для серии Х это вообще норма продавать тулзы для мододелов, а не игру, в ладве главный квест это запустить игру. Вот только с каждым годом этот набор юного шамана-линуксоида всё хуже и хуже.

Сообщение отредактировал Aurum_Gallente: 23 November 2013 - 20:16