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[DarkPhoenix]

Показания обиженного экс-пандемика с логами, подлинность которых очень сложно подтвердить. Нет, это повод задуматься, но кмк не дымящийся пистолет.

Подлинность любых таких пруфов сложно подтвердить. Защиту от plausible deniability в логах чата/скриншотах не завезли, сори.
(впрочем, ццп не помешало поверить логам дхб из скайпа которые тоже легко подделать)

Скажем так, это вопрос веры. Я в это верю по ряду причин:

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Небольшое дополнение на эту тему. К нам в корпу присоединился чувак Lucas Quaan (теорикрафтер команды ПЛ). Прошлой ночью зашел разговор о гоббинсе, перешел на турниры и прочее. В итоге выяснилось что atrophocy (гидровский олдфаг, делал перерыв лет на 5-6) с манкисферой играл достаточно много:

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[9:06 AM] dexter xio: :eyes:
[9:06 AM] Umi: And make it a more interesting than 2v2 tinker cruisers vs nano trash 1 hour fights
[9:06 AM] Umi: Perhaps like whole small gangs vs eachother
[9:43 AM] Lucas Quaan: Gobbins was on the first PL tems and only joined Hydra for AT8 after a falling out with Shamis
[9:44 AM] Lucas Quaan: he then built that team up with Garmon only to, somewhat ironically, lose to PL in the finals
[9:45 AM] Lucas Quaan: he then came back to PL again for AT10 and onwards
[9:46 AM] Lucas Quaan: he also has this thing for Myrmidons
[9:46 AM] dexter xio: :Pog:
[9:46 AM] dexter xio: myrm is super cool
[9:46 AM] dexter xio: i bet he enjoyed the myrm, vexor navy and eos AT then
[9:46 AM] Lucas Quaan: it is what lost Hydra AT8
[9:47 AM] Lucas Quaan: yeah, AT12 was all Gobbins
[9:47 AM] dexter xio: chameleon :muscle:
[9:47 AM] dexter xio: fitting prize
[9:47 AM] dexter xio: for the meta of that tournament
[9:49 AM] atroph: Before that he ran a corp called eXceed that pioneered the stealth bomber gang when they still had cruise missiles. When actual bombs were added he was the first to really experiment with how bombing wings could be used.
[9:50 AM] Lucas Quaan: and that is how PL won AT6-8
[9:50 AM] atroph: Cheating
[9:50 AM] Lucas Quaan: Gobbins is a good man
[9:51 AM] Lucas Quaan: and without him there wouldn't be a Hydra, tbh
[9:51 AM] Lucas Quaan: he taught Garmon how to properly run a team
[9:52 AM] Lucas Quaan: Myrm fetisch included, no extra charge
[9:53 AM] atroph: the first year with gobbins was rocky
[9:54 AM] atroph: Garmon listened to him, but he clashed with a lot of the rest of us because he's a condescending asshole
[9:54 AM] atroph: practices were not always fun with gobbins wanting to do one thing and not wanting to actually engage with anyone elses ideas. ultimately what got us through to the finals were not his comps
[9:55 AM] Lucas Quaan: sure, he came from winning back to back with PL and probably thought he knew best
[9:55 AM] atroph: but, his knowledge of how to game the tournament system, like the throw vs agony, were invaluable
[9:55 AM] Lucas Quaan: this is also why we have horde
[9:56 AM] atroph: I think that AT8 was also the first clean tournament without PL cheating
[9:56 AM] atroph: must have been a nervous time for them
[9:56 AM] Lucas Quaan: PL used to fly a lot with early test and brave, guest fcing for them
[9:57 AM] Lucas Quaan: Gobbins saw what they were doing and said "hey, I can do that better"

[9:58 AM] Lucas Quaan: fun fact: PL never cheated in the AT, good intel and spying only
[9:58 AM] atroph: sorry Lucas, but you're absolutely wrong on that. but, it was also before you started playing the game.
[10:01 AM] atroph: The whole monkeysphere conspiracy is very very true. and I can tell you because The Monkeysphere and I were best eve buds for a number of years. We were in the same noob corp in highsec, we moved to a nullsec renter alliance together, we moved to Triumvirate together, and then to PL after that.
[10:02 AM] atroph: I have seen first had POS shields deleted to steal supers, probes moved to the exact position of a ship to decloak a lorde molle's falcon in a safespot, I've had monkeysphere tell me exactly what was fitted on a ship I was thinking about 1v1ing, and what ship his corpmate in system was docked in, people remove themselves from local, etc.
[10:03 AM] atroph: So, when monkeysphere says that they used that to scout fits before matches and get in direct counters, there's no way that's not true
[10:04 AM] atroph: I was in NESW at the time.
[10:04 AM] atroph: So, you know, it's my own legacy as well, to a degree
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[10:33 AM] atroph: Monkeysphere was just the most prolific user. It was actually written by another illuminati guy called G0 Maz. Shamiz and Shadoo and the rest of leadership in that 2008-10 period were definitely aware that it was going on.
[10:34 AM] dexter xio: G0 Maz :eyes: zKill shows nothing
[10:34 AM] dexter xio: hidden his tracks :hmm:
[10:34 AM] kadesh: maybe different nick?
[10:34 AM] atroph: I'll double check the spelling
[10:38 AM] atroph: ah, it is just capital O, not a 0
[10:38 AM] atroph: https://evewho.com/character/948863784
[10:39 AM] atroph: Monkey used it so much for hunting because he was actively trying to win eve
[10:40 AM] atroph: he was in the first few years of medschool, loved eve, knew it would ruin his chances of being successful once school got serious.

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[10:44 AM] dexter xio: dam
[10:44 AM] dexter xio: Rens 911
[10:50 AM] dexter xio: http://everookie.blo...d-folly-of.html
[10:50 AM] dexter xio: lol this is some good shit atroph
[10:51 AM] dexter xio: i forgot this happend
[10:51 AM] Auraus: > On Side Effects
[10:51 AM] Auraus: drug side effects?
[10:51 AM] dexter xio: > Monkeysphere found himself stuck inside a wormhole unable to find an exit big enough to let his ship out. This of course led to tin-foil-hat wearers suggesting that the GM's were keeping him locked up while they investigated whether the logs really did show nothing.
[10:51 AM] dexter xio: lmao this is hilarious
[10:52 AM] dexter xio: just eject 5Head
[10:52 AM] atroph: lol. yeah. he was in a rather expensive machariel, in a c2
[10:52 AM] atroph: and for two weeks it did not spawn a single wormhole
[10:52 AM] dexter xio: hahahaha
[10:52 AM] dexter xio: ccp actually put him in jail
[10:55 AM] atroph: GO Maz also made a fucking cool probe enhancer script. In the first implementation of the new scanning system probes didn't launch in formation. you launched them one by one and had to arrange htem every time. GO Maz made a cool thing that allowed you to remember formations and load them, and would center the probes on a result.

Сообщение отредактировал DarkPhoenix: 31 March 2020 - 10:39